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in reply to: New Police bikes #18647
Just a quick update after a day out on the road with the new bike.Three of us did our annual rectification ride today. Christchurch - Hokitika and back.We swapped between the bikes, a DOHC twin seat 1200RT, a single seat DOHC 1200RT, and the new Honda ST1300.The brakes on the Honda are to die for. That's the best I can say for it. Everything else is functional, but it lacks for character. Big style.All three of us, with decades of road riding, agree that the RT is the best of the two.I have always thought it was a bias of mine, but maybe not.Donuts
in reply to: Thoughts on R1200RT, R1200R, with luggage #18675Some occasional good R1200ST's with low mileage floating about
That's one model that polarized people. The headlight is very, ahem, distinctive. I just can't bring myself to consider it, no matter how good financial sense it makes. Cheers for the suggestion though.
in reply to: Thoughts on R1200RT, R1200R, with luggage #18671Yes, spoke to Carey, no surprise that he's on a GS-A.
I attended a works hop recently for reading engineers. It was focused on how new reading projects can make it safer for bikes. MSAC had quite a bit of input to that.That's a small example of work going on that few are seeing. I totally agree Grem that there's a broad range of motorcycle demographics. It's hard to design a one solution fits all approach. Chipping away and taking opportunities where they arise is what they appear to be doing.I'd rather that $30 is ring fenced for something motorcycle related, if it weren't it would just disappear into the black hole that is the consolidated fund.
in reply to: Thoughts on R1200RT, R1200R, with luggage #18669It's a real case of first world problems.Yes Richard, pannier liners sorted.
in reply to: Thoughts on R1200RT, R1200R, with luggage #18668Thanks Gremlin and RichardK Essentially the accountant has said that it makes sense to have a bike solely for work. There are tax and depreciation benefits. That means either selling my RT to myself and maintaining a log of what private use I do, or simply buying another bike.A friend of mine up north bought a new Triumph Tiger 800 to use as his instructor bike, and he loves it. Plenty of capability for open road instruction and slow speed stuff too. He bought Triumph as it's his fifth Triumph. I'm a BMW person so it pains me to think of anything else.The R1200R being able to take my top box and panniers is a real benefit. Factory bags cost a bomb, so having 2 bikes that I could swap the bags over on would be a real benefit. The keys issue is a small issue. Boyds have a 2014 1200R for about $20K. It has and 5000 km on it, so virtually new. It would cost more than that for an 800GT, which was my other choice. The HTC would be more economical and cheaper to service. The 1200 would be a little more capable, and it has the more relaxed upright position. It would be a good bike for observed road rides.That's some of my reasoning. The bike at Boyds is the Dark White variant, and it looks cool.Basically I'm seeing the accountant in a few days, it'll depend to sone extent on his advice.I really can't see myself instructing from a big tourer. And for sure not from a 1300ST. I just didn't click with it when I rode the new work one, and the 60 km service intervals just won't work for me.I've said it before, brand loyalty is big for me, despite the battles I've had.
I don't think many folk have a positive view on the work being done by MSAC. Which is a shame, as the people on it all mean well. It's a political football, given the funding comes from the ACC portion of the reg fee.It's too easy to bag them without knowing what they do.Just saying.
in reply to: New Police bikes #18646It was like kissing my sister. If I ever had, of course. Ahem.
in reply to: New Police bikes #18645New ST just got delivered to our yard.13.3 km on the clock. Time for a familiarization ride, I feel.
in reply to: New Police bikes #18643Not hurt. Wet road with excess tar bleed.
in reply to: New Police bikes #18638Of course, some of us have significant loyalty to the brand, so it's inevitable that there's comment around the bikes. But basically, if they bought me any bike and paid for the gas, I'd probably ride it.
It will be interesting to see how the guys adapt to the Honda. It can easily be little things like the weight balance, amount of steering lock, throttle response, it makes a lot of difference for exercise scenarios. That said, while part of it is clearly technique, one of the other Event Rider crew had an ST1300, and stopped coming to events as his clutch got very unhappy. As said, a lot could be technique (like if he's riding the hell out of his clutch). Won't know until they're beating the hell out of them, as clearly all the history is with the BMW.While the forum will lynch me, you should have CB900s. I've done 100,000km (over about 8 years, averages 12k a year) since my boss provided it for work, only a couple of thou out of that was open road, the rest was motorway and suburban stuff, beats the hell out of the gearbox and clutch and it barely misses a beat. No engine/gearbox/clutch work besides a worn clutch cable at 60k (which is an easy replacement). ;D Currently it has about 128k on the clock.
Hi GremI've resigned from the job, effective 29 May. I won't get the chance to experience the ST much.As it happens, I've been advocating for smaller bikes since 2008. Maybe the deaf ears are part of why I'm going.I'd have picked the F800ST as my bike of choice. The bean counters would have been happy, as it's cheaper to service, buy and run. The guys would have loved it, as I've loved the two I had.The ST is used world wide, and I've been in touch with my counterparts who speak English. Comments almost exclusively come from the basis of brand loyalty. Honda people love Hondas, Beemer people love Beemers. No surprise.
in reply to: New Police bikes #18636Interesting discussion.BMW put an air cooled R1200RTP DOHC up for the tender trial, as the water cooled one hadn't come out at that time.It was pitted against a Yamaha FJR1300, and the Honda. The Honda was poorly prepared for the trial, but the trail was happening, and they had to take it as it was.The BMW came out as the riders favourite, with the Yamaha second, and the Honda third.The Honda was chosen due to the costs of purchase and servicing. Given that, we wondered at the time why they bothered to do a trial, but maybe it was just to make sure the Honda was at least in the same ball park.Of course, some of us have significant loyalty to the brand, so it's inevitable that there's comment around the bikes. But basically, if they bought me any bike and paid for the gas, I'd probably ride it.
in reply to: ’05 R1200RT clutch replacement #17845you guys need to tidy up ya riding. never happened in my day. why did that other bike go pooofCable leading from the positive terminal of the battery rubbed against a frame cross member for long enough to wear away the insulation. Rider pressed the go button, arcing happened under the seat, et voila, one BBQ'd RT-P.
in reply to: ’05 R1200RT clutch replacement #17843Ask the Popos about worn ouit clutches. We do them about every 50000km. Our riding style (slipping clutch, training rear brakes) means that the consumables (of which the clutch is one) are hammered far more than private bikes.It's the nature of our job, and how we use the bikes.I was surprised at the price you were quited though. We paid about $1450 including parts and labout for our last one.On the up side, I hear the new water cooled engine is far easier to replace the clutch on. Happy days.
in reply to: R1200RT tyres #17260Conti road attacks work well,good grip and feel good in the wet not bad for tyre life.Road attacks were on sale now Road attack2's are out.Conti motion are cheap if You are not a hard rider,had them on My RT felt OK but front whore flat on the front.Michelin pilot road3 gets very good write ups ,got one on the front of the GS grips very well.Just dont buy Shinko or Full bore Tyres. Cheers
Yup, very personal choice. I've now worn out the Road Attacks, and the Z8s will be my next buy. But only because I have brand loyalty. I've had a good run with Z6s on the 800ST, and the Z6s and Z8s on the work bike, so Z8s for the personal bike it is for me.
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