Rider training for BMW.

[David Yeo]

#6620

Hi all, Thanks for this great response on a very important subject like this . Well to me anyway. I can not ask for more comments they are all good and just what I like .• Dave you mentioned your other half. My Wife loves riding with me too. Ilze did the pillion training course with me it helped  a lot she is more              relaxed  since then. She even goes off road with me and she even came off with me but she loves it. • Dean  BMW bikes are big but it can be done. When I did the Off-Road training in SA it was on my Dakar and on the same course there were riders  on 1200 GS’s  and 1150 av’s  you should see what they managed to do on those big bikes . Must be honest I’ll prefer a smaller bike 400/450• Waza   It does not have to be BMW’s only. I only mentioned BMW because most of us own one ore more ( I only wish for another one ) and that way the trainer  can introduce us to what our bikes are capable  of. They also teach you some technical stuff about your bike therefore it should be a BMW mac what can a Kawa or Yami mac teach my of my BMW? We were taught how to set the suspension ,how to replace a wheel and set the tension on your chain if you have one , how to drain water from your engine when your bike drowned etc, etc …• Pete  You are right cone work is important and good. I just bought 10  450mm cones today got them from NZ Safety.I am going to start training in my own so long until someone comes and join me. I will practice the figure 8 and Left , Right full lock turn and do some zigzag through  the cones. Seems like you’re the man to know . How about putting together something small for us then we invite one of our BMW mechanics togive us some basic quick bush fix training and we can go with more confidence. How does a 2day training session sound Meet Friday eve ,Saturday and ½ of Sunday and the other ½ we do some off road some ware here close to Auckland to try it out. It’ll be fun I already have the cones. Who votes for that? Have a think about it and lets see where it goes Cheers Hentie.

[David Yeo]

#6621

The tax collector thing is grossly unwarranted, but if you feel the need to hold such an opinion you are welcome to drive in a manner meaning you will receive no tax demands. Road safety will benefit.Please don't lets start yet another uninformed revenue gathering nonsense. Email me your views and I'll happily email you mine, but please don't just regurgitate the tosh I've been hearing for my 20 years in the job.

Yes that is right Pete we should keep this forum clean from such nonsense and Dean our and I say our (because New Zealand is now my country too) cops with respect are doing a goog job I have received 2 fines so fare and paid them because I admit guilt to my offence which I feel is right because without law and order this and no other country can or will survive. So I praise these men and women who make this a safer country for me and my family that is why we chose to come to New Zealand it might not be totally safe but it certainly is safer than my ex country. Cheers lets have fun and drive safe Hentie.

[Anonymous]

#6622

Please leave the revenue collecting issue alone.

OK, but I may slip up now again

[Russell Taylor]

#6623

I spent a few minutes today browsing the F650GS-P. It looks like a great town bike, and maybe ever for chasing crooks over open fields !!Check out http://www.ascycles.com/f650gsp.aspxIf I ever let my testosterone get the better of me I am thinking I'd love to ride a 1200GS-P Adventure. I'd like the training for that ride to include Ewan and Charlies next Long Way trip. Just wishing.......... 🙄

[Anonymous]

#6624

I'm not sure how you guys like the 1200rtp. I found my 1200rt not very good on corners it was like the centre of the bike would move or twist and would make it hard to take a safe line through the corner at speed. The 1200gs models are nice and tight.

[Russell Taylor]

#6625

The first lesson I learned about the big beemers is to let them go through the corners themselves. It sounds a a bit obvious, but I was trying too hard to make them track properly. “Over Riding”, if you like.The weight is awesome at letting the bike track beautifully. I've had no experience of twisting, but we ride them fairly conservatively.On slower roads or tight courses I push my leg hard into the tank on the outside of the bike (opposite side to the direction of the corner.) It seems to give me more control. I learned that (probably a school boy thing really) from an instructor who is a guru on motocross bikes. It doesn't control the bike directly, but it allows you to control your body more accurately, and that helps you control the bike.It meant being able to throw the big beastie around a lot more while retaining control. In tight exercises I can get my outside arm completely straight, meaning the bike is dipping a long way down into the turn, making it far easier. Momentum is my friend like that.We stick to speed limits necessarily as hypocrisy doesn't sit well. One thing of interest is the we have a calibrated digital speedo to compare against the analogue speedo, and the analogue one would basically make a great paperweight.  It would be worth having your speedo calibrated at an instrument shop to get a better idea of your speed.Ka kite 😎

[Jim Young]

#6626

The speedo on my 1150GS used to read around 10 – 12% high at 100KPH when checked against my GPS, so riding around at 110kpm was spot on the limit.The readings on my 1200GS are only around 1 - 2% high at the same speed, so it was a bit of a shock to discover that for a while, riding around at around 110kph on my 1200GS speedo was in fact pushing the limit.The lesson learnt was never to take anything for granted and thank goodness I found this out pretty quickly  😛

[dave.valma]

#6627

I think for offroad riding the curent batch of large and heavy BMW GS's just don't lend themselves to it. Metal road riding and dry dirt roads shouldn't be too difficult even with those FAT rear tyres,but bring a drop of moisture and some grass into the equation and it will be time for mayhem, sore boddies and incipient heart attacks and who know how big a repair bill. For those who want to play in the grass and mud go down to your local dirt bike club with a Honda XR200/250/or 400 for those with a bit of girth, Suzuki 250/350 etc and do some of the many family fun/ trail rides.I'm sure Motorcycling NZ ( have a talk with Paul Pav.) will have a list of guys who do training for motocrossers, I'm sure they would take on folk who don't want to race but want to know the basics about riding in the dirt. Of course You could always join a club like Maungaturoto Motor cycle Club which has its own track at the Maungaturoto Country Club and organise training through them, it gives you the use of the Country Club as well. An hour and a half North of Jaffa land, "REALTOWN" territory.

[Dave Morris]

#6628

I loved the cone work. Be in front and watch them all putting feet down was hilirious.and re the revenuing collecting, I have said b4 its a " stupidity tax" so please do not get the two mixed up. 

[Russell Taylor]

#6629

Hi AllI received this at work today.Subject: Motorcycle Training Courses   Good Morning All,   Thought I would let you know the dates of the Motorcycle Skills Courses we have part funded (in partnership with Regional Road Safety (Maureen Bishop)) as a way to help address the rising number of injuries as a result of motorcycle crashes. Injuries from motorcycle crashes contribute to 18% of ACC motor-vehicle claims, when representing only 2% of vehicles on the road. From looking at the data, there seems to be a need for skills in both the urban and open road environments which the subsidised training is trying address.   If you come across motorcyclists you feel would benefit from up-skilling themselves through the course of your work, please feel free to put them in touch with Mainland Driving School (contact details on the flyer attached). We are trying to reach those who would not normally attend a course, especially those returning to riding after a long break (the born-agains). Where the younger population continues to be represented in motorcycle crashes, there is a worrying rising trend in the 35-50 age range too.   Dates of Courses:   On the Road Training (urban road skills): •    Wednesday 7th May •    Saturday 17th May •    Thursday 22nd May •    Wednesday 28th May   On the Track Training (open road skills): •    Monday 12th May - Advanced riding course at Levels, Timaru •    Saturday 14th June - Advanced riding course at Ruapuna, Christchurch   These courses are not free but are greatly subsidised to give those who would not normally attend a course an opportunity to improve their riding skills. If you would like more information on this initiative, feel free to contact me or Mike Flowers at Mainland Driving School.   Kind regards   Kate   Kate Bussell Injury Prevention Consultant Accident Compensation Corporation Northwood Branch 1 Radcliffe Road PO Box 5293, Christchurch

[Dave Morris]

#6630

Hi AllI received this at work today.Subject: Motorcycle Training Courses   Good Morning All,   Thought I would let you know the dates of the Motorcycle Skills Courses we have part funded (in partnership with Regional Road Safety (Maureen Bishop)) as a way to help address the rising number of injuries as a result of motorcycle crashes. Injuries from motorcycle crashes contribute to 18% of ACC motor-vehicle claims, when representing only 2% of vehicles on the road. From looking at the data, there seems to be a need for skills in both the urban and open road environments which the subsidised training is trying address.   If you come across motorcyclists you feel would benefit from up-skilling themselves through the course of your work, please feel free to put them in touch with Mainland Driving School (contact details on the flyer attached). We are trying to reach those who would not normally attend a course, especially those returning to riding after a long break (the born-agains). Where the younger population continues to be represented in motorcycle crashes, there is a worrying rising trend in the 35-50 age range too.   Dates of Courses: Kind regards   Kate   Kate Bussell Injury Prevention Consultant Accident Compensation Corporation Northwood Branch 1 Radcliffe Road PO Box 5293, Christchurch

what i would like to know is how that stats are collected. Is this (A) road bike only crashes or do these stats alsol include (1)weekend riders of chookchasers - MX bikes and also (2) farm bike accidents. Keen to know as I suspect that I may be unduly subsidizing all those people in (1) & (2)could you ask as waiting with baited breath.

[dave.valma]

#6631

You could write her a letter Steve. 👿 😐 😀 😀

[Dave Ross]

#6632

Are Scooters counted as motorcycles. I commute everyday, and either these guys know something I don't or they have a lot of faith in car drivers. I tend to use them as decoys. I am especially impressed by their variety of safety gear, ranging from shorts and jandals to short skirts and stockings with high heels, all very stylish. Anyway, I wish them luck and hope they don't contribute to the motorcycle statistics.Before Bwucie gets upset, not all of them dress like that. Some even wear a suit and I've seen the odd one with gloves. 😀

[Dave Morris]

#6633

You could write her a letter Steve. 👿 😐 😀 😀

do not know her address and she has probabaly been brainwashed by stats.

[Anonymous]

#6634

Steve wrote, “what i would like to know is how that stats are collected. Is this (A) road bike only crashes or do these stats alsol include (1)weekend riders of chookchasers – MX bikes and also (2) farm bike accidents.Keen to know as I suspect that I may be unduly subsidizing all those people in (1) & (2)"Mark Twain wrote, "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics"Steve,When a crowd of us Ulybods (back when i was a Ulybod) went down to Wellington for a days training at ACC before managing their first ACC/Ulysses Motorcycle Intersection Awareness campaign in our home areas, this was one of the first questions ALL of us wanted answered.ACC depend on medical staff to fill out their forms for their statistical info, so ACC DO, albeit inadvertently, record some of the cases you worry about against the wrong pool.LTSA, who we also asked the question, when we met with them later in the same campaign, record their accident data far more exactingly (and I would have thought you would have had access to their figures via your firm, seeing as you supply most of the raw data LTSA use).Hence, my wife gets planted while stationary, feet on the floor, at a Give Way by a people mover. ALL the ambos and medics and ACC, no matter how many times we correct them, call it a motorcycle accident. LTSA would record it as a car accident with a motorcyclist (scooterist, if you want to be pedantic) as an innocent victim.While I had access to LTSA's stats for the period of my ACC project I tried to align both sets of stats, to get a handle on the disparities, but ACC wouldn't let us have anything like the access LTSA did. I don't think either organisation could guess at the difference themselves.I know exactly what you are on about, and it totally pisses me off watching my neighbours, wearing no protective gear, playing on my road with their mini-chopper with their baby on the tank in front of them. I should have to pay to cover them? (It pisses the Community Plod knocking on their door and telling them not to do it whenever I pot them, too, I'm sure, because they only wait for a couple of days after he's been before they are at it again.)I am not allowed to cull them to cleanse the gene pool. I feel powerless.

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