LETTER TO THE EDITOR

[Anonymous]

#17696

Interesting.I am a member of this forum and own a BMW but am not on the Register. Do I need to know anything about this discussion?Kennif

[Anonymous]

#17697

Interesting.I am a member of this forum and own a BMW but am not on the Register. Do I need to know anything about this discussion?Kennif

Not really, Kennif, no. It appears here because we do not run a Register members only forum. I'm sure many Forum members who ARE Register members get appalled when we air our electronic dirty laundry in public, but what the heck: these rants surface from time to time. After all the dust settles we resume normal behaviour (that is as normal as motorcyclists get!)In any organisation it is unusual for Management/Executive to respond to provocation in public: that can really bring your organisation into disrepute if somebody's knee jerk causes an intemperate reply, and the whole show starts going, "He said." "I said." Tarra-diddle-diddle.Like any story, there is a whole 'nother side to this one to be told. It is most unlikely to surface here. It's also worthwhile pointing out that the Executive are very aware of this thread, but they have chosen NOT to ask me to moderate or delete it. I would take that to indicate they are sitting on their hands at the moment because they think that is the best thing to do right now - after all they had addressed the contents of the letter BEFORE it was posted here, in the members only publication, the newsletter. And that they are not too worried about being castigated en bloc either.If you are not a Register member, just bleep this thread and read the good stuff about BMW bikes, and don't worry about upstarts like this web-thingee that rides a Jappa, either.

[Dave Ross]

#17698

Mr Bell will possibly have something pungent to say about this after all the smoke and ire Terry generated - so I'll leave the editorial comments to him...................

Mr Bell is Waldorf and Statler rolled into one.  🙂

[Dave Ross]

#17699

Interesting.I am a member of this forum and own a BMW but am not on the Register. Do I need to know anything about this discussion?Kennif

Just sit back and enjoy  🙂 

[peter.trub]

#17700

Do you struggle with reading comprehension?

Colin, you've made it quite clear what you think of Terry's letter, I wonder if you'd care to let us know what you thought of Phillip King's words as reported in the minutes of the last AGM.

What I think is that it is sad that the BMWOR is subjected to pathetic little squabbles from small minded people. The issue has been dealt with as Bruce pointed out yet a small vocal grudge party choice not to accept the outcome.When challenged they resort to sarcasm (As Koko has done here and a number of previous times). I think if people are prepared to behave in such a pathetic manner then its time to stop pussyfooting to them and return stupid personal remarks back to them. Gutless hiding behind smug remarks is a sign of the weakness of this small group.They opposed the "radical" (yeah right) changes to the constitution. These were carried by the MAJORITY at the AGM. They dream up scandels about the next AGM and the dates it falls on. They constantly bleat about the lack of transperancy in the Executive. I see full reports in the News Letters of the Executive's activities. Now we have a letter (long on rhetoric, short on facts, as was the last poorly written letter) that is supported by? When asked to clarify what the desired outcome is that they wish to achieve they resort to sarcasm.Its pathetic and I belive that Koko's post to kennif of "Just sit back and enjoy  🙂 " shows the whole thing for what it is. Just a bunch of kids playing a game.Shame on you Koko, Shame on you Terry Ellis-Smith, in my opinion BMWOR would be the richer for not having members such as you.  What did I think of Phillip King's words in the Newsletter? I actually was saddened to read them. They seemed the words of a person who felt he had been wronged. He wanted what he felt was best for BMWOR. It appeared to me he had been upset by what he considered personality driven attacks on the Executive.  I noticed though he never sought an apology. Arrogant people never apologise

[Dave Morris]

#17701

Mr Bell will possibly have something pungent to say about this after all the smoke and ire Terry generated - so I'll leave the editorial comments to him...................

Mr Bell is Waldorf and Statler rolled into one.  🙂

you must have activated my web came as I am sitting here with my 8 yr old. We are watching re-runs of The Muppets.

[Dave Morris]

#17702

now everyone needs to take a big breath. I have known Terry for 25 years but not seen him for many. A truer gentleman your could not meet whom would have the clubs best interests at heart.I am guessing after 2 requests and no letter Terry took the only option he believed to move forward. then his letter gets published. bad timing but he can't be held responsible. communication by other parties would of elevated this issue joining this forum in its current form.I have known Alex for numerous years and a very easy going guy who states the obvious. I also have been known to fuel the fire every now and then but meet me and you will know I  am always up for a laugh. the problem with the internet is it shows no emotion. People can interpret things wrong.big breath and move on.

[peter.trub]

#17703

now everyone needs to take a big breath. I have known Terry for 25 years but not seen him for many. A truer gentleman your could not meet whom would have the clubs best interests at heart.I am guessing after 2 requests and no letter Terry took the only option he believed to move forward. then his letter gets published. bad timing but he can't be held responsible. communication by other parties would of elevated this issue joining this forum in its current form.I have known Alex for numerous years and a very easy going guy who states the obvious. I also have been known to fuel the fire every now and then but meet me and you will know I  am always up for a laugh. the problem with the internet is it shows no emotion. People can interpret things wrong.big breath and move on.

Steve? I think someone has hacked into your user id mate  ;DMost sensible thing (apart of course from my posts  ;)) in this whole thread.Most unlike you  😮

[Anonymous]

#17704

Steve? I think someone has hacked into your user id mate  Most sensible thing (apart of course from my posts  ) in this whole thread.Most unlike you 

I'm with Colin: most unusual. Cue Split Enz - "True Colours"Well spoke, Steve.

[Dave Ross]

#17705

The response to Terry's letter turns out to be contained in the "President's Podium" in the June Newsletter.In other words, the Executive had reacted to Terry's letter and made a public reply in the medium that reaches ALL members, the Newsletter, before Terry made his post on this Forum.

Having read the "President's Podium", I don't think he has addressed the issue. He did explain why Philip wrote the treasurer's report, but he made no statement about Philip's little rant in the official section. If it's in the official section, than it's got to be the Executives view point. He did not say that it wasn't. He did talk about misunderstanding etc. but I think Philip's statements were clear enough and they were not misunderstood. My wife and I were both former members of the executive and while my own contribution might have been debatable, I know that hers was above and beyond the call of duty. So I've felt personally offended by Philips little side show. My guess is that I am not the only one. So that' where I stand. Nothing to do with you Colin, but feel free to contribute any additional info that you might be aware of, that I am not. For the record, what I am writing about here has nothing to do with the Auckland Branch, I think I've attended about two meeting during the last 2 years, this is how I feel about this situation, based on what was in the newsletter. So I guess now I know where I stand. I guess I have to thank Bwucie for keeping this forum alive, but I wouldn't be surprised if we ran out of money soon, to keep it going.

[Anonymous]

#17706

I guess I have to thank Bwucie for keeping this forum alive, but I wouldn't be surprised if we ran out of money soon, to keep it going.

Last time we went off the net because we hadn't paid the bill I recall Garry took his big fat credit card and paid several years' worth in one hit. I'm not exactly sure of the expiry date of his goodwill, but I'm confident the meter will run for a while yet.I still receive the same sum of zero dollars per annum that you got when you did the job, Alex, so it's not a high dollar operation.

[Dave Ross]

#17707

I guess I have to thank Bwucie for keeping this forum alive, but I wouldn't be surprised if we ran out of money soon, to keep it going.

Last time we went off the net because we hadn't paid the bill I recall Garry took his big fat credit card and paid several years' worth in one hit. I'm not exactly sure of the expiry date of his goodwill, but I'm confident the meter will run for a while yet.I still receive the same sum of zero dollars per annum that you got when you did the job, Alex, so it's not a high dollar operation.

Not at the moment, but unlike me, you actually seem to know what you are doing. I am guessing that this would cost a lot more than it does, if you didn't put the hours in.

[Anonymous]

#17708

I'm not exactly sure of the expiry date of his goodwill, but I'm confident the meter will run for a while yet.

FYI, the bmwor.org.nz domain expires 16/11/2015. Not sure about your hosting.

[Richard Kuysten]

#17709

He did talk about misunderstanding etc. but I think Philip's statements were clear enough and they were not misunderstood. My wife and I were both former members of the executive and while my own contribution might have been debatable, I know that hers was above and beyond the call of duty. So I've felt personally offended by Philips little side show. My guess is that I am not the only one. Well said Alex, Jean and I have both served two terms on the exec over the years and "offended" would be putting it mildly in describing how we feel.

[peter.trub]

#17710

The response to Terry's letter turns out to be contained in the "President's Podium" in the June Newsletter.In other words, the Executive had reacted to Terry's letter and made a public reply in the medium that reaches ALL members, the Newsletter, before Terry made his post on this Forum.

Having read the "President's Podium", I don't think he has addressed the issue. He did explain why Philip wrote the treasurer's report, but he made no statement about Philip's little rant in the official section. If it's in the official section, than it's got to be the Executives view point. He did not say that it wasn't. He did talk about misunderstanding etc. but I think Philip's statements were clear enough and they were not misunderstood. My wife and I were both former members of the executive and while my own contribution might have been debatable, I know that hers was above and beyond the call of duty. So I've felt personally offended by Philips little side show. My guess is that I am not the only one. So that' where I stand. Nothing to do with you Colin, but feel free to contribute any additional info that you might be aware of, that I am not. For the record, what I am writing about here has nothing to do with the Auckland Branch, I think I've attended about two meeting during the last 2 years, this is how I feel about this situation, based on what was in the newsletter. So I guess now I know where I stand. I guess I have to thank Bwucie for keeping this forum alive, but I wouldn't be surprised if we ran out of money soon, to keep it going.

I have a good idea, lets all get little tin drums and bang them. The main trick is dont give anyone a clue what tune your playing. Yep thats sarcasm.Lets look at the timeline of events shall we,1) Past secretary files a report2) It gets printed in the April News Letter3) It offends someone4) A letter is submitted for the newsletter5) A copy of the letter plus the following explanation is emailed to all Area reps  For one reason or another this letter has missed the last 2 News letters. However, people affected (implicated) in the Exective’s 3  monthly report  still feel they need to be heard.This then is  giving them their say.6) A copy off the letter is posted in this forum.Maybe I am over simplfying it, how can a letter replying to an article in the April newsletter have missed two news letters? If it has Garry mate, where is my June newsletter? Do Aucklanders get theirs first or summit?As the Executive meet three monthly (and there last meeting was reported on in the April newsletter so presumeably held in March) they wont have met yet to discuss a response to the letter. And as it is directed at them they should rightly reply to it.Or is the offense taken by the offended parties of such greatness that we should all demand our executive drop everything and scuttle off to resolve this horribly offensive ofending thing thats happened so that the bowing scraping and apoligising can begin in earnest as soon as possible?No wonder we as an organisation once needed meetings to be held monthly!!!I am sorry but all I see in this letter and the previous one written by the same author is pointless muck raking. Koko, I dont care what you or your wife did in the past for the club, your current actions I also class as muck rakingAn apology was not given at the AGM (for the deplorable letter written by Terry), in fact it was stated by our life member felt he had nothing to aplogise for, apparently it seems everyone except Terry and Koko must aplogise Yeah right.  ;DPerhaps we should ring Redimix and get some cement tablets delivered.  8)

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