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  • Dave Ross
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    05/04/2011 at 8:59 am
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    #3617

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10717280Motorists who do not register their cars will now be penalised with demerit points, as well as a fine.Transport Minister Stephen Joyce says changes to regulations will help prevent fraud and act as a deterrent to people who try to dodge payment.The fine for an unlicensed vehicle will drop from $200 to $150 but people will also receive 20 demerit points.The demerit points will only apply for tickets personally served by a police officer.This could be interesting, I guess the headline is not entirely correct.

    Robin
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    05/04/2011 at 7:56 pm
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    #15003

    That's good news. Watching those local police TV shows reveals a LOT of cars unregistered, driven by people who haven't got money to pay a fine anyway.

    Russell Taylor
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    06/04/2011 at 12:33 am
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    #15004

    Have a look over on the Kiwibiker forum. This has stirred up a storm.The only issue I have with it is that there are no points for a red light offence, or for not wearing your seatbelt. Now, THOSE are things that deserve demerits, not fund raising things like the Acc levy.Just my thoughts.

    Dave Ross
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    06/04/2011 at 7:41 am
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    #15005

    Yep, I agree with you. ACC is fundrasing. I pay bike registration. So ACC is getting its fair share. Red light runners should get the same penalties as people who do more than 40km/h over the speed limit. I am not worried if they are not wearing a set belt, but I do like to have some confidence in my green light. The North Shore could be a gold mine when it comes to red light running. Heck, they even come the wrong way around a roundabout, because they can't wait their turn. Believe me, that's an interesting experience when you're on a bike.

    Dave Morris
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    06/04/2011 at 9:05 am
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    #15006

    Have a look over on the Kiwibiker forum. This has stirred up a storm.The only issue I have with it is that there are no points for a red light offence, or for not wearing your seatbelt. Now, THOSE are things that deserve demerits, not fund raising things like the Acc levy.Just my thoughts.

    yeah but people who dont have current licence label a lot of the time are the halfwits that should not be on the road. This is another wayto skin a cat and get rid of themm off the road. How many halfwits appear in Court with $27000 of fines for no regno and no wof. This way they will be appearing for driving whilst disqualified and driving whilst suspended. No fines for that. After a couple of offences Community work (they hate losingthere time) or a few more offences off to the big house to become someones boyfriend. šŸ˜®PS regno is a croak. I have a car and bike , i cant drive/ride both at once so it should be the person not the vehicle who has the regno cost. user pays. yeah right, tui adhttp://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/about-driver-responsibility/stepping-over-the-line.html

    Dave Ross
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    06/04/2011 at 11:59 pm
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    #15007

    Have a look over on the Kiwibiker forum. This has stirred up a storm./quote]It's a storm in a tea cup here :-). I am assuming that even though the headlines doesn't mention bikes, that it would apply to all registered vehicles. Maybe that bit hasn't sunk in yet?

    Anonymous
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    07/04/2011 at 4:41 am
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    #15008

    PS regno is a croak. I have a car and bike , i cant drive/ride both at once so it should be the person not the vehicle who has the regno cost. user pays. yeah right, tui adhttp://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/about-driver-responsibility/stepping-over-the-line.html

    To a point I agree with this sentiment, but in my case Ii pay rego for my bike (which I ride for fun), my wifes bike (which I use to commute and sometimes we get them both out for a ride) and a couple of cars most often used by the teenagers still living at home, so this wouldn't work. How ever if it was a km based system then each vehicle would only clock up the levy when it was being used and parked in the garage for three weeks at a time would cost nothing.Ā 

    Anonymous
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    07/04/2011 at 8:20 am
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    #15009

    Unfortunately nothing will change unless people know that they have to face some serious consequences for their actions – or in-actions. It's the never ending story, isn't it: They can't afford to maintain, run and keep a vehicle legally on the road. They can't afford insurance and if you are taken out by one of them, you are the one to face the consequences of their inabilities to [insert any possible screwup].I find it quite "amazing" how many people think owning and driving a car - regardless - is a right not a privilege. Like so many other things, I guess...Maybe it's time to stop all the pc bullshit and get a bit more real. Even more importantly, make these people realise what the real world is like and that there is no-one else to pick up their cock-upsĀ  >:(

    Dave Morris
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    07/04/2011 at 10:03 am
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    #15010

    Unfortunately nothing will change unless people know that they have to face some serious consequences for their actions - or in-actions. It's the never ending story, isn't it: They can't afford to maintain, run and keep a vehicle legally on the road. They can't afford insurance and if you are taken out by one of them, you are the one to face the consequences of their inabilities to [insert any possible screwup].I find it quite "amazing" how many people think owning and driving a car - regardless - is a right not a privilege. Like so many other things, I guess...Maybe it's time to stop all the pc bullshit and get a bit more real. Even more importantly, make these people realise what the real world is like and that there is no-one else to pick up their cock-upsĀ  >:(

    only problem is to many do gooders out there to feel sorry for them.

    peter.trub
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    08/04/2011 at 10:01 am
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    #15011

    Maybe it's time to stop all the pc bullshit and get a bit more real. Even more importantly, make these people realise what the real world is like and that there is no-one else to pick up their cock-ups Lets take a slightly wider view to that statement shall we. There are some people out there who do need to get real, agreedĀ  ;D and there are some out there trying to get real.Those who have come from (for lack of better terms) less priviliged backgrounds. They dont have stack loads of cash or havent been given a good "monetary start" in live. Perhaps they just could be in what is known as the poverty trap. They cant afford the flash as car so have to drive the shitters.The shitters keep them poor, the cycle continues.Do gooders feel sorry for them, Cops think they are just born problems, they get called victims, all that shit. At the end of the day they just people who want some fun and a good life, possibly even a BMW Bike.Will demerits as opposed to a fine help them? It just might as it could be the break they need (no fines) to save enough to get a decent car. Bloody hell if they do that they may even be able to get to work and support themselves and there families.Perhaps the real question here is "why is there a need to change the system since rego fees got increased?"Now thats a question worthy of debate. Not that other drivel.

    Anonymous
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    08/04/2011 at 4:37 pm
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    #15012

    Those who have come from (for lack of better terms) less priviliged backgrounds. They dont have stack loads of cash or havent been given a good "monetary start" in live. Perhaps they just could be in what is known as the poverty trap. They cant afford the flash as car so have to drive the shitters.The shitters keep them poor, the cycle continues.Do gooders feel sorry for them, Cops think they are just born problems, they get called victims, all that shit. At the end of the day they just people who want some fun and a good life, possibly even a BMW Bike.Will demerits as opposed to a fine help them? It just might as it could be the break they need (no fines) to save enough to get a decent car. Bloody hell if they do that they may even be able to get to work and support themselves and there families.

    With all charity I can't subscribe to that theory, probably because I work with these people "trapped in the poverty cycle".Ā  I have to work extra hours every day (at age 63) to do their work because they don't come in to work, because they are still shit faced on the drugs they buy off another work mate's wife.Ā  They smoke or drink their wages before they take them home to their families.Ā  It is a lifestyle choice for them: they moan about their low wages (same rate as me /hour), but mine are 20% - 40% higher than theirs, take home, because I turn up 5 or 6 days a week as required, not 3 or 4.I do sympathise because it is, for many of them, behaviour learned from their parents' fine example, but they are CHOOSING to stay the same, not choosing change.Ā  Crushing the cars would help, gives a new meaning to "owning a Cube" beyond driving a wee boxy Nissan..............

    peter.trub
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    09/04/2011 at 6:38 am
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    #15013

    We can debate endlessly the failings of a very small but highly visible few members of our Society or we can look at those who genuinly are trying to get on with life.Look at the failures, look at the successes, your choice. Take a deeper look and ask this simple question, how did Society become like this and what have I contributed to the solution?Or just go with the easy one"Why is there a need to change the system since rego fees got increased?" Now thats a question worthy of debate.My theory for what its worth is that by raising rego fees to a stupid level and applying them in an unfair system we have motivated a whole new bunch of people to become criminals.Break that down for ya!!Stupid level = different rates for "powerful' bikes. We are now faced with some of those Powerful bikes being able to be ridden on L PlatesUnfair system = levy paid per vehicle, so people with more than one vehicle but only two arms and one bum still pay for the vehicle in the shed at home. Riders who travel 1 k pay the same rate as those who travel thousands. So there is no reflection of exposure to risk.Motivate people to become criminals = stuggling on the minimum wage, trying to pay bills while cost rise all around you, Whats the worst that can happen if I dont pay this bill?Perhaps those who come from or who have reached financial security would do well to live on the minimum wage for 12 months to know what it would feel like to have your car crushed. Bet we never see a car over $100000 crushed. hell no that would be wrongRant overĀ  ;D

    Anonymous
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    10/04/2011 at 9:37 am
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    #15014

    Wherever you go ……….there you are!

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