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  • Steve Applegath
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    wondered what others experiences might be … i decided to leave the abs turned on for the capital coast .. despite some of the descents feeling a little like slow motion freefall the brakes were  predictable  smooth and faultless… yet i often hear of people ordering these bikes without abs … and im trying to figure out why… 30000k in the last 12 mths and never a circumstance where i wasnt glad of bmw s tech work … the brakes are powerful and smart… what am i missing?

    peter.trub
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    Biggest problem I have found with not switching ABS off is that locking the back to set for a corner cant be done.  😮 However do I really want to get an R11oo sideways?  😕It would be good if someone knew a way of turning off the ABS on the rear wheel only as I quite like the front wheel to keep turning  😀

    Dave Ross
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    As far as I know there is a minimum speed before the ABS will come on. So on slow descents you would most likely not have had the benefit of it. In some situations ABS will be quite useful on gravel. However, if the surface is ball-bearing like it's probably not a good idea to have it on.I guess if you find yourself relying on the ABS to do some sort of job for you off-road you could be disappointed. It doesn't take all that much to upset a sensor with mud. I think ABS (the latest version) is quite good. I wish my bike had it.

    Stuart Burns
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    Ever wondered why ABS has a minimum speed below which it doesn't trigger? I did, then realised that if it didn't, you'd never be able to come to a stop! 🙂  Wonder if that was discovered in the workshop or on a field test!

    zebin lu
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    Given you guys have ABS can anyone explain to me to the dash lights work? Also I have noticed a grating sound starting off? I get a red  pair which I assume are abs flashing at me upon starting, then go out, but havent a clue what it means. Also there is an abs switch, use unknown ( you have guessed: never got the owners manual with bike and abs not a feature on previous!)I think there is also another row of two idiot lights below thesewhich seem to do nothing, but this is from memory as bike not at hand.

    Murray
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    Generally, the ABS light comes up when you turn the ignition key on, the EMS runs through its check cycle to make sure everything is kosher and light goes out after the first complete revolution of your wheels. Depending on the model, if you deactive the ABS the light will flash on and off to remind you the ABS system is deactivated. To deactive ABS you'd normally swith the bike on, wait for the check cycle to complete, hold the ABS button for a couple of seconds until the light starts flashing and release the button. All pretty simple really. What you might not realise it that the new Integral ABS also has full diagnostic control: all functions and sensors are permanently monitored by the system’s electronic “brain”.  Compared to former systems, the duration of the initialization phase after switching on the ignition is now much shorter. Any malfunction (if there is one) is saved in a non-volatile memory and can be accessed in the workshop later.  Should the electrical or any electronic components break down the control valves are moved mechanically (by springs) to their basic setting, so there's always a direct hydraulic connection between the brake controls and the brake calipers, just like a normal brake system without ABS. The brakes then operate as usual in terms of brake power and application, only the ABS control and, if you've got it, the integral function are no longer available.On the latest R1200GS and R1200GS Adventure, you've the option to deactivate the ABS for off-road use but even when it is deactivated the system maintains its integral function, which can prove quite helpful when riding off-road. For example, to hold position on a slope with loose ground beneath you, all you have to do with Integral ABS (even if it's off) is pull the hand brake lever. This applies the brake on the rear wheel, keeping the bike safely in position and preventing it from slipping backwards. Setting off in such a situation is also easier with this system, since you no longer need a foot to apply the rear brake and you can use both feet for extra support on the ground - useful in situations some people manage to get themselves in on last week's CCA  😀I don't know about your 'grating' sound. Maybe you've got some crap on the brake discs or a wheel bearing out of sorts. I can't imagine it's something up with the ABS.Personally, I don't miss the ABS (my Dakar had it) and don't care that I don't have it on the HP.

    Anonymous
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    If you have a dinosaur ABS system still working, like a K100, don't flick that switch! You will be ABSless until you visit your friendly BMW dealer to reprogram the thing and get it back working.(Got caught out by bloody switch twiddlers that had to play with my parked bike a few times.)

    peter.trub
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    Ah yes the grating sound  😀 sort of a crunch crunch noise? This is suspect may be what you are experiencing. When you switch the key on you must give the ABS time to go through its test cycle. When both red ABS lights are flashing simel semila... 😡 at the same time  🙄 You can fire up ya beast!!! If they flash alternately (either before or after starting you have a fault) Once the engine is running and the lights are flashing correctly, engage a go forward cog and go forward  😀 You will notice that as you pass the soon to be new open road speed limit of 5 km/hr a strange clunk clunk or grating noise and as a bonus the red lights have stopped flashing and both have gone out. ABS sensors have picked up the bikes movement and the system should now be fully functional  :mrgreen:You may now proceed to second gear  👿

    David
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    Ahhhh, ABS, that gizmo that makes enemies from friends and friends from enemies, neither whom may have tried it at length. If I was an off-road man I may or may not opt for the system, new one yes, old one no! That said, I'm not, I'm a tarmac teaser. 99% of my rides take place on the macadam, much of it in built up places. I no longer panic about white painted lines, man hole covers, road works or the bloody big squares of steel the Auckland City Council contractors are allowed to put about the place lately! As long as the bike is vertical I'm fine. I know it takes longer to stop but stopping upright is preferred to stopping lying down... ABS works for me  😎

    Anonymous
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    Ahhhh, ABS, that gizmo that makes enemies from friends and friends from enemies, neither whom may have tried it at length. If I was an off-road man I may or may not opt for the system, new one yes, old one no! That said, I'm not, I'm a tarmac teaser. 99% of my rides take place on the macadam, much of it in built up places. I no longer panic about white painted lines, man hole covers, road works or the bloody big squares of steel the Auckland City Council contractors are allowed to put about the place lately! As long as the bike is vertical I'm fine. I know it takes longer to stop but stopping upright is preferred to stopping lying down... ABS works for me  😎

    Dick you were on some of the BMW training days we had. ABS bikes stop a lot quicker than non ABS bikes.

    Russell Taylor
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    4.2 I hear one or two 'clank' when I start riding1100/1150 non-servo ABS:This is part of the ABS-unit self-test. Furthermore, if you ridefor more than seven minutes and come to a complete halt, when youstart up again the ABS will self-test again with the same 'clank'.Sourcehttp://advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6647300&postcount=4In fact, read the whole page.It helped me to understand my 1999 GS1150.Ka kite

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